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Dj Technick 04/20/2010 05:01 PM

Cams vs Cams
 
So I just can't decide what cams to buy...I really cant. So I decided I would post a thread to see what other people think would be my best choice.

Now lets take a vote. Here are the choices.

Skunk 2 stage 2

Bisimoto Level 2

Crower stage 2 street/strip

I am also up for suggestions. :teeth:

hmoobhero 04/21/2010 08:30 AM

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cant never go wrong with sk2...but i like buddy club too...

ososlohatch 04/21/2010 08:38 AM

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If your still running stock springs retainers and valves I would just go with a custom set of delta regrinds. I had crower stage 3's and thought they idled girly.. 404's ftw if your going crower and upgrading valve train.. but alot of people have ran them on stock springs/retainers

Dj Technick 04/21/2010 11:05 AM

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I have skunk 2 pro 2 already. I lost power by using them. Can't say I'm much of a skunk2 fan either. So I called up bisimoto today and they are making a custom cam for me. :) bisi rocks!

ososlohatch 04/21/2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dj Technick (Post 162426)
I have skunk 2 pro 2 already. I lost power by using them. Can't say I'm much of a skunk2 fan either. So I called up bisimoto today and they are making a custom cam for me. :) bisi rocks!

busi rocks if u got deep pockets.... def wont b dissapointed

Dj Technick 04/21/2010 11:30 AM

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Yea i had to save up all my money. Ive only been spending 30$ a week, and thats for food and gas...plus it's not easy cuz I'm paying my grandpa back for the hatch. He's taking 500$ out of every pay check i get so that leaves me with very little amounts of change. SOMEONE PLEASE BUY MY SKUNK 2 CAMS!!! :u_r_god:

H22APWRD94 04/21/2010 04:42 PM

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Why did you lose power on the Skunk2 St2's? Did you have it tuned? Adjustable cam gears? What supporting mods are done to the H22? Intake manifold, injectors, header? What is the compression on the bottom end? Sorry, just find it hard to believe that a cam would lose power in a proper setup.

Mike

ososlohatch 04/21/2010 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by h22apwrd94 (Post 162528)
Why did you lose power on the Skunk2 St2's? Did you have it tuned? Adjustable cam gears? What supporting mods are done to the H22? Intake manifold, injectors, header? What is the compression on the bottom end? Sorry, just find it hard to believe that a cam would lose power in a proper setup.

Mike

you dont do to much research than.. :thumbsup: :tongue:

ososlohatch 04/21/2010 06:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dj Technick (Post 162438)
Yea i had to save up all my money. Ive only been spending 30$ a week, and thats for food and gas...plus it's not easy cuz I'm paying my grandpa back for the hatch. He's taking 500$ out of every pay check i get so that leaves me with very little amounts of change. SOMEONE PLEASE BUY MY SKUNK 2 CAMS!!! :u_r_god:

how much you want for them since they blow ?? 100 bucks and a skunk2 rear tie bar and a adjustable short throw shifter ?? :teeth:

H22APWRD94 04/21/2010 09:18 PM

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Ive only been working with H22's since 2000. I don't know much about them. I also noticed after I re-read that he said pro2's and I said st2's as in the older grinds. I have not done much reading on the newer grinds, as I have not been focused on an all motor setup for mine since about 2003. So, yes, if that is the case that MANY people are losing power on the pro2's, then yeah, get rid of them. But my guess is that they are just a cam that needs some work to make power. Hell, I made 136whp (mustang dyno) on an 8.4:1 bottom end H22 with stock everything else. Then proceeded to go 14.91 in a stock weight 95 prelude si/vtec. Boredom I guess.

Mike

Rosko 04/22/2010 12:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ososlohatch (Post 162566)
you dont do to much research than.. :thumbsup: :tongue:

So whats your setup then? Mike has some very valid questions, these arent just "throw in and run em cams!"

H22APWRD94 04/22/2010 04:44 PM

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Whats up Shawn? I need to get some parts from you for my intake manifold. Also, is there enough material in an H22A1 mani to open up for a 70mm BDL TB? If so, how soon can I get it to you, and how much?

Mike

Dj Technick 04/22/2010 08:47 PM

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They are to big of a cam for 11:1 compression pistons...to much duration so they stay open when you want em closed so I actually lost compression by using those...yea I had more air but the loss of compression compensated for that causing a loss of power rather than a gain. This is why ppl need to do research before buying cams, throwing a monster cam on a motor might sound cool but if you don't know what your doing you will just end up wasting your money.

I didn't want to do a monster cam in this thing just because of that so I had to downsize. Called up bisimoto and they have a grind that one of the workers there used for his H22 prelude that is similar to my motor set up. Its close to the level 2 cam grinds but slightly different.

So hopefully these end up being damn good. When they get here we will find out.

But yea if anyone wants those sk2 500$

Rosko 04/23/2010 06:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dj Technick (Post 162864)
They are to big of a cam for 11:1 compression pistons...to much duration so they stay open when you want em closed so I actually lost compression by using those...yea I had more air but the loss of compression compensated for that causing a loss of power rather than a gain. This is why ppl need to do research before buying cams, throwing a monster cam on a motor might sound cool but if you don't know what your doing you will just end up wasting your money.

I didn't want to do a monster cam in this thing just because of that so I had to downsize. Called up bisimoto and they have a grind that one of the workers there used for his H22 prelude that is similar to my motor set up. Its close to the level 2 cam grinds but slightly different.

So hopefully these end up being damn good. When they get here we will find out.

But yea if anyone wants those sk2 500$

Ahh, the cams not too big... the motor is too small :P. Those ARE big cams and on 11:1 compression you are going to have to do some cam gear tuning to tune in that overlap so you arent losing so much compression. You would be surprised how much advancing the exhaust cam will increase power. I wouldnt be afraid to go another +5 degrees on the exhaust cam (assuming everything was degreed in in the first place). Might be worth a try before you spend money on another set of cams, but you will want to do it on a dyno and tune for the adjustments. Also when you move the exhaust cam you need to reset the timing as well since the distributor is connected to that cam. (in other words don't go adjusting things in the driveway and then take it for a spin around the block haha)

You would be better off tho with a S2 stg2 cam but you should still be able to do very well with the Pro2 even tho they arent the ideal cam for your setup. I made great power with them on my 12:1 and 14:1 setups, and now I'm making about 5whp more running the Pro3's. For an off the shelf cam S2 is hard to beat.

Dj Technick 04/23/2010 01:31 PM

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yeah its just a lil h23 vtec. I went with bisi tho. Similar grind to there level 2 cam. And I am going to dyno tune it so lets see what she can do! Ill be posting up a before and after dyno sheet so everyone can see the difference. :tongue:

Dj Technick 05/05/2010 12:52 PM

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They have arrived!!!
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crxh22honda 10/12/2011 12:05 PM

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Im confused why you would have 8.6 to 1 compression on a stock h22. Unless you had a turbo. But u said you made 136hp? N those bisi cams are tight. Ill have there stage 3 next week :') in my small h25 :')

Rosko 10/12/2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crxh22honda (Post 253233)
Im confused why you would have 8.6 to 1 compression on a stock h22. Unless you had a turbo. But u said you made 136hp? N those bisi cams are tight. Ill have there stage 3 next week :') in my small h25 :')

2.5? What kind of a setup are you running?

H22APWRD94 10/12/2011 02:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crxh22honda (Post 253233)
Im confused why you would have 8.6 to 1 compression on a stock h22. Unless you had a turbo. But u said you made 136hp? N those bisi cams are tight. Ill have there stage 3 next week :') in my small h25 :')

Bobby, there were plans to boost it, but life got in the way. It is ok, just made a little over 500 on my current setup and had some very happy results at the track.

crxh22honda 10/12/2011 06:39 PM

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500hp? N you didn't turbo it? Giant shoot of nitrous? As for my set up. Its not done. But what I have Crower crank, ,bisi moto custom piston 12.5 to 1 88.5. So really its only a 2.47. I have alot more just don't feel like sharing.

crxh22honda 10/12/2011 06:43 PM

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Rosko I just realized I was emailing you about two weeks ago. About a k24 crank in h22. So ya that's what happen to me know.

Rosko 10/12/2011 07:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crxh22honda (Post 253316)
Rosko I just realized I was emailing you about two weeks ago. About a k24 crank in h22. So ya that's what happen to me know.

Cool man, that Crower crank should do the trick! Let me know how the setup turns out!

H22APWRD94 10/12/2011 08:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by crxh22honda (Post 253315)
500hp? N you didn't turbo it? Giant shoot of nitrous? As for my set up. Its not done. But what I have Crower crank, ,bisi moto custom piston 12.5 to 1 88.5. So really its only a 2.47. I have alot more just don't feel like sharing.

No. Did not end up boosting the H22. Still have it sitting around so maybe mess with it again in the future, but currently working with a dinky, torque-less 1.8 that is paired with a snail that has not even started to work hard.

crxh22honda 10/12/2011 10:08 PM

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Yea ill for sure let ya know. You will see in Honda tuning front page center fold one day lol jk

timtwo40 10/16/2011 12:25 AM

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suggestions on best cams for my b18b teg plz


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