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Old 11/06/2011, 08:19 AM   #1
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hey jdmcity heres somewhat of a short story lol but , ive been wanting to get into motors and rebuild one and put pistons rods head bolts and what not into it and i finally got my dad to quit his bitchin and let me do it and have him help me a little my question is what motor should i start with d series? b series? when i'm done with it id put it in a shell and use it as a weekend car to cruise in/mess around in just have some power and have fun in so if you guys out there that have more knowledge about stuff like this it would be cool to get some input thanks!:)

also i know i will be doing more research so no need to post do research i plan on it

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I personally would build a b series motor. And it depends on what type of build you wanna do to N/A or Turbo build, and what are you going to do with the car? The more info the easier it it to help you achieve your goals.


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Plan to do a N/a and i plan to put it into a shell not sure what right now i'm looking around for just a motor see whats out there and when i do put it in id just use it as a weekend car to have fun in not much else


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Yeah then i would build a b series. Throw a little higher comp. pistons in it and a mild set of cams have it tuned and have some fun. That would be a peppy little motor, i think you would like it..


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should i do b18 orr 16 and a, b, c,

any of them easier to find parts for ?


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or a b20 lol


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Well i have a fully built turbo'ed b20z. Thats what i would try to find. The B20z puts down more torque. I would to that with a ls crank.


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alright thanks man ill be looking around


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Yeah anytime good luck with the build


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I guess I could ask what you would all put into a motor for a fun more horsepower motor. I was thinking pistons rods arp head bolts. Maybe cam and cam gears. Anything else I should possibly look into?


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Some injectors and possibly clutch and flywheel you would have a fun little build.


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alright thanks for all the input man also your car is coming along nice to


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You can't make good horsepower without good manifolds. Your intake manifold, throttle body size and exhaust manifold are all very important. I am not talking some DC/Megan Racing 4-2-1 P.O.S., I am talking something of at least a minimum of an JDM 98+ ITR design or larger tube with stepped primaries. You want to figure out your cam and compression setup first then base your header/IM/TB choice off of that.

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You can't make good horsepower without good manifolds. Your intake manifold, throttle body size and exhaust manifold are all very important. I am not talking some DC/Megan Racing 4-2-1 P.O.S., I am talking something of at least a minimum of an JDM 98+ ITR design or larger tube with stepped primaries. You want to figure out your cam and compression setup first then base your header/IM/TB choice off of that.
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You can't make good horsepower without good manifolds. Your intake manifold, throttle body size and exhaust manifold are all very important. I am not talking some DC/Megan Racing 4-2-1 P.O.S., I am talking something of at least a minimum of an JDM 98+ ITR design or larger tube with stepped primaries. You want to figure out your cam and compression setup first then base your header/IM/TB choice off of that.
this is VERY true! i found out that i will be missing out on ~10whp on my stock manifold over a skunk2..... so that is a must before i tune.

if you are going to completely rebuild a motor, i would undoubtedly go with a motor that has VTEC..... whether that is a b16a, b18c, or lsVtec/b20 vtec. to me it doesn't make sense to spend all of the time and especially MONEY on machining, parts, and tuning to be rocking something that that has a whopping ~150hp

you're on the right track with the ARP headstuds, but the rods and pistons arent really a necessity for a mild build, the stock rods just need to be checked my the machine shop to make sure theyre good and OEM replacement pistons will bump compression depending on what you choose. make sure to add ARP rod bolts to your list though. most of your power is going to be made in the head, so that is where i would focus your attention. a good set of cams (Pro 1s, Rocket M22x's), cam gears to adjust those cams come tuning time, valve springs, and a good valve job should break you into the 200s.

i would check out the all motor forum on HT here http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2628364

and if you are considering a lsVtec id look this thread over, it was a HUGE help in my build http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1676914

i have been through it all with building a motor from a bare junk block, so if you have any questions feel free to pm me. good luck with the build!

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ls/vtec ctr cams eagle h beams with like 13:1 comp pistons would be a pretty nasty little N/A motor..


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ls/vtec ctr cams eagle h beams with like 13:1 comp pistons would be a pretty nasty little N/A motor..
ctr cams on a motor like that is a WASTE! there is no sense in running anything smaller than pro2s at that compression. keep it simple, no crazy compression numbers. the ability to run pump gas is nice, but another thing to consider would be running e85 on a mild motor set-up like i talked about in my previous post. that would net you WELL into the 200s, probably 215ish to the wheels which would be pretty gadam quick!

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this is VERY true! i found out that i will be missing out on ~10whp on my stock manifold over a skunk2..... so that is a must before i tune.

if you are going to completely rebuild a motor, i would undoubtedly go with a motor that has VTEC..... whether that is a b16a, b18c, or lsVtec/b20 vtec. to me it doesn't make sense to spend all of the time and especially MONEY on machining, parts, and tuning to be rocking something that that has a whopping ~150hp

you're on the right track with the ARP headstuds, but the rods and pistons arent really a necessity for a mild build, the stock rods just need to be checked my the machine shop to make sure theyre good and OEM replacement pistons will bump compression depending on what you choose. make sure to add ARP rod bolts to your list though. most of your power is going to be made in the head, so that is where i would focus your attention. a good set of cams (Pro 1s, Rocket M22x's), cam gears to adjust those cams come tuning time, valve springs, and a good valve job should break you into the 200s.

i would check out the all motor forum on HT here http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2628364

and if you are considering a lsVtec id look this thread over, it was a HUGE help in my build http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1676914

i have been through it all with building a motor from a bare junk block, so if you have any questions feel free to pm me. good luck with the build!
whole heartedly agree here. especially on the rods, have a machine shop "resize" the rods to make sure they are good to go. using used rods can be the downfall of any engine.


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You can't make good horsepower without good manifolds. Your intake manifold, throttle body size and exhaust manifold are all very important. I am not talking some DC/Megan Racing 4-2-1 P.O.S., I am talking something of at least a minimum of an JDM 98+ ITR design or larger tube with stepped primaries. You want to figure out your cam and compression setup first then base your header/IM/TB choice off of that.
i will for sure think of that thanks man
i found someone with a b16b with gsr pistons i might be picking up


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thanks for all the input deadmoans, onebad i'm definitely wont be taking short cuts its gonna be a fun learning experience with the girlfriend will be getting arp rod and head bolts thats for sure!! lol thanks everyone

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ctr cams on a motor like that is a WASTE! there is no sense in running anything smaller than pro2s at that compression. keep it simple, no crazy compression numbers. the ability to run pump gas is nice, but another thing to consider would be running e85 on a mild motor set-up like i talked about in my previous post. that would net you WELL into the 200s, probably 215ish to the wheels which would be pretty gadam quick!
Completely agree. CTR cams are not going to move enough air to take advantage of that kind of compression. Be careful if you go big compression on an 84mm block, because you will need to have some work done on the B16/GSR combustion chambers. At a minimum, Tuner2/3 or Pro1's would be where I would look for cams.

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whats the highest compression you would recommend going?


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11.5-12.0:1 area. That is more than enough to make some good power. Matched with a good cam, manifolds and tune, you would definitely see around 200whp area.

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