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Old 11/08/2011, 12:26 AM   #26
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11.5-12.0:1 area. That is more than enough to make some good power. Matched with a good cam, manifolds and tune, you would definitely see around 200whp area.
.....says the man that finished building my LS/Vtec almost identical to this description

i would HIGHLY recommend that you have harvey's in norwalk do your machine work. they did a fantastic job on everything they did for me....aside from cleaning, we had to ride them pretty hard about that haha

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Old 11/08/2011, 02:00 AM   #27
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thanks for all the input deadmoans, onebad i'm definitely wont be taking short cuts its gonna be a fun learning experience with the girlfriend will be getting arp rod and head bolts thats for sure!! lol thanks everyone

ill try to take as many pictures as possible when i get it going possibly make a build thread
and good for you man, wish i had a girl that would get her hands dirty with me! when this happens, i WILL be puttin' a ring on that bitch!

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Old 11/08/2011, 06:40 PM   #28
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and good for you man, wish i had a girl that would get her hands dirty with me! when this happens, i WILL be puttin' a ring on that bitch!

lol yeah we are getting there we are only 19 and 18ha so we got a few years for that but a nice promise ring would do the trick for now which i happend to just buy a 600 dollar one last week lol

also i will defenitely be letting you guys know what i do!
i'm buying a b16b block gsr pistons and eagle crank this weekend from a guy


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Old 11/08/2011, 08:54 PM   #29
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lol yeah we are getting there we are only 19 and 18ha so we got a few years for that but a nice promise ring would do the trick for now which i happend to just buy a 600 dollar one last week lol

also i will defenitely be letting you guys know what i do!
i'm buying a b16b block gsr pistons and eagle crank this weekend from a guy
to each his own....but i'm avoiding that shit like the plague! haha

a couple questions for ya though. do you have a link to the stuff you're buying? and why the eagle crank?

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Old 11/08/2011, 11:23 PM   #30
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no i dont have a link and the guys throwning it in for just a little extra would you not go that route


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Old 11/08/2011, 11:33 PM   #31
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Stock Honda cranks can handle pretty much anything that you can throw at them. Have seen them make over 1000whp without a problem.

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Old 11/09/2011, 04:23 PM   #32
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no i dont have a link and the guys throwning it in for just a little extra would you not go that route
yeah man, id be a little weary of a guy just "throwing in" a thousand dollar crank just for shits and gigs. are you getting rods with this package deal? just curious, because im not sure how easy it'l be to find stock b16b rods........ what are you paying for the block? you may be better off finding a short block of some sort and tear it down and start that way, so you'll have the crank, rods, and a bare block with all of the sensors and what not. just something to consider.

and like mike said, stock cranks are just fine, especially for what you plan on doing. i'd honestly feel better about using a stock crank over an eagle unit anyways, honda made them to turn 9k all day! all that needs to be done to the crank is having a machine shop check it and have them micropolish it.

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hes selling me the b16b block, gsr rods and pistons and the crank for 350 but i decided to buy his gsr crank for 300


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Old 11/09/2011, 09:39 PM   #34
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hes selling me the b16b block, gsr rods and pistons and the crank for 350 but i decided to buy his gsr crank for 300
read this http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2837501

after doing a little search, this CAN work. however, custom pistons are needed....and i'd imagine thats some serious $$$$

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Old 11/10/2011, 12:02 AM   #35
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B16B and B16A blocks are the same deck height. Which is about a 1/4inch shorter than a B18A/B/C block. Anything other than a B16 crank and rods won't work for you in that block.

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So I would have clearance issues if I had the gsr rods crank in a b16 block?


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Thanks again everyone for helpin me(newbie) out really appreciate it!


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Old 11/10/2011, 01:44 PM   #38
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read this http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2837501

after doing a little search, this CAN work. however, custom pistons are needed....and i'd imagine thats some serious $$$$
please do a lil more research..!

B16B (Type R)VTEC
Found in:
1997-2000 JDM Civic Type R[EK9]
Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in)
Compression: 10.8:1
Bore: 81 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4 mm (3.0 in)
Rod/Stroke ratio: 1.84:1
Rod Length: 142.42 mm (5.6 in)
Power: 185 PS (136 kW)180 HP @ 8200 rpm & 118 lbft (160 Nm) @ 7500 rpm
Redline: 8400 rpm
Rev-limit: 8900 rpm
Transmission:S4C With Helical LSD (4.4 final drive, dual-synchromesh on 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears)
VTEC engagement @ 6200 rpm
ECU code: PCT
OBD-2A
Note: This engine uses the same block as the Integra Type R (B18CR), which is taller than the B16a block (by approx 17mm), but with a crank the same stroke as the b16a. It uses longer rods to accommodate for this, which is why the Rod/Stroke ratio is higher than a standard B16.

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B16B and B16A blocks are the same deck height. Which is about a 1/4inch shorter than a B18A/B/C block. Anything other than a B16 crank and rods won't work for you in that block.
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^
WRONG!!!! please dont give people information if your not clear on what ur talking about.

Note: This engine uses the same block as the Integra Type R (B18CR), which is taller than the B16a block (by approx 17mm), but with a crank the same stroke as the b16a. It uses longer rods to accommodate for this, which is why the Rod/Stroke ratio is higher than a standard B16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine

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please do a lil more research..!

B16B (Type R)VTEC
Found in:
1997-2000 JDM Civic Type R[EK9]
Displacement: 1,595 cc (97.3 cu in)
Compression: 10.8:1
Bore: 81 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 77.4 mm (3.0 in)
Rod/Stroke ratio: 1.84:1
Rod Length: 142.42 mm (5.6 in)
Power: 185 PS (136 kW)180 HP @ 8200 rpm & 118 lbft (160 Nm) @ 7500 rpm
Redline: 8400 rpm
Rev-limit: 8900 rpm
Transmission:S4C With Helical LSD (4.4 final drive, dual-synchromesh on 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears)
VTEC engagement @ 6200 rpm
ECU code: PCT
OBD-2A
Note: This engine uses the same block as the Integra Type R (B18CR), which is taller than the B16a block (by approx 17mm), but with a crank the same stroke as the b16a. It uses longer rods to accommodate for this, which is why the Rod/Stroke ratio is higher than a standard B16.
I stand corrected! who knew that wikipedia would actually come to the rescue. that's my mistake, i didn't even think about the block being a B16B. my apologies man!
misinformation was neither of our intentions.....sorry that that made you so upset, but i assure you that both of us DO know what we're talking about....at least 99% of the time, as was proven. everybody gets one.....

OP, i assure you that every OTHER bit of information is correct we do know what were doing haha

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Old 11/10/2011, 06:23 PM   #41
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I stand corrected! who knew that wikipedia would actually come to the rescue. that's my mistake, i didn't even think about the block being a B16B. my apologies man!
misinformation was neither of our intentions.....sorry that that made you so upset, but i assure you that both of us DO know what we're talking about....at least 99% of the time, as was proven. everybody gets one.....

OP, i assure you that every OTHER bit of information is correct we do know what were doing haha
its all good i didnt want to start a fight on here so i found the info in proof form lol.. but iv done alot of builds people say cant be done.. like my 13:1 factory internal and running on pump gas ls/v. i have head gasked problems but i will figure that out sooner or later. iv givin thing guy some good info on a good build that will make power on all motor and will still be good if he decides to boost it later in life. and now hes probably thinking im crazy and dont know what im talking about lol.. but yes info givin from u guys this far has indeed been good info. hope theres no hard feelings, just making a point.

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and ps... B16"A" and the B16"B" do indeed share the same crank.. as it stated above so if he did choose to buy my eagle crank. which he i think was talked out of which it totally fine with me. he would have to buy b16b rods due to lenght. but i have a good eagle crank for a b16 for sale i have no need for it at this time and yes 350 is hella cheap for the crank.

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I was mistaken. Having never worked with one of these before, I apologize for my misinformation. Thank you 91efcivic for your correction, I always appreciate learning something new. Still an overpriced pain in the ass if you ask me, but I don't know much anyways. I can tell Wiki that their transmission information is incorrect though, as the CTR trans only has a dual synchro on #2, just like all other B-VTEC hydraulic transmissions.

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its all good i didnt want to start a fight on here so i found the info in proof form lol.. but iv done alot of builds people say cant be done.. like my 13:1 factory internal and running on pump gas ls/v. i have head gasked problems but i will figure that out sooner or later. iv givin thing guy some good info on a good build that will make power on all motor and will still be good if he decides to boost it later in life. and now hes probably thinking im crazy and dont know what im talking about lol.. but yes info givin from u guys this far has indeed been good info. hope theres no hard feelings, just making a point.

thanks,
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no worries man! i'm glad you said it, because it really seemed like someone was trying to cornhole him haha now that we know that wasn't the case........

so to make sure i'm on the same page, the setup you're selling him is a B16b block, gsr crank, and gsr rods? so its a stroked b16 using gsr internals that more or less is equivalent to an ITR? I need to quit smokin' that shit.......

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no worries man! i'm glad you said it, because it really seemed like someone was trying to cornhole him haha now that we know that wasn't the case........

so to make sure i'm on the same page, the setup you're selling him is a B16b block, gsr crank, and gsr rods? so its a stroked b16 using gsr internals that more or less is equivalent to an ITR? I need to quit smokin' that shit.......
correct lol its a pretty bad ass set up and not having to pay 5500 for an ITR swap.

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sorry efcivic for not going your route! but thanks for all the info and what not but i bought a b16 for $300

so now im starting to take it apart and clean most of the grease off lol and looking for parts for the future rebuild but i got some questions if you guys would be willing to answer:D
i'm gonna just start on the block for now and work my way up
1. What all so i do to the block i know i plan on doing pistons, rods, arp head and rod bolts and new bearings since the guys said he belive it spun a rod bearing what else would you guys recommend doing to the block?
2 what opinions do you guys have on the piston and rod choice i should go with?


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weisco is pretty good with pistons and eagle h beams are pretty popular rods.. your not boosting so i wouldnt imagine a need for sleeving.. cams look into crower they have nice stuff..


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sorry efcivic for not going your route! but thanks for all the info and what not but i bought a b16 for $300

so now im starting to take it apart and clean most of the grease off lol and looking for parts for the future rebuild but i got some questions if you guys would be willing to answer:D
i'm gonna just start on the block for now and work my way up
1. What all so i do to the block i know i plan on doing pistons, rods, arp head and rod bolts and new bearings since the guys said he belive it spun a rod bearing what else would you guys recommend doing to the block?
2 what opinions do you guys have on the piston and rod choice i should go with?
Just a word of caution... If you did in fact spin a rod bearing then you will need more work then just new bearings. You should really take that to a machine shop as soon as you have it torn down and have them inspect it. If its the rod bearing, the crank can be turned down and oversized bearings can be used (along with a new rod). If its a main bearing that spun in the block then thats alot worse and you may want to just look for another block before you get too far into the build.

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thanks rosko i planned on taking it to a machine shop after i tear everything down what are some shops around ames area that people know of i live in ogden which is 20 miles west of ames


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